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your back-office filmmakers

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entertainment and all your listening

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needs listen now to talk now radio well

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no topic is hello everybody welcome to

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talk now radio the listener-supported

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radio this is your host Royce the

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redneck radio man and joining me today

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that's Timothy green Beckley you may

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also know him as mr. UFO and he's also

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the editor over at conspiracy journal

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and he said he's got a lot of irons in

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the fire from what I can tell because

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he's also the president of the inner

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light global communications and editor

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computes conspiracy journal like I told

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you and bizarre bizarre I like that

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title bizarre bizarre d so it's all in

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the spelling so at any rate if you don't

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want to ask questions during the show

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you can call in at eight three two six

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three two seven nine zero four and if

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you want to learn more about a Tim you

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can go to conspiracy journal calm and

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it'll redirect you to the one that he's

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using most often but it's easier to

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remember that one but he's his regular

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domain is UFO review that tripod calm

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forward slash index.html dama how you

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doing today well good especially since

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I'm on I'm on the everyday live glad to

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be here I'm in New York City just a

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couple blocks in vampire State Building

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well the Yankees and the Red Sox are

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playing not too far away

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well I gotta be honest with you I've

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been trying to get you on the air for a

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lot longer than what you realized why

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did you do that you gotta call me next

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day I did I emailed you well you know

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there for you a lot of times that people

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email for the first time a new

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man you know we're here now and we can

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we can talk about anything that you want

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to and you know of course not only I'm

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in the UFOs of course that's my kind of

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my specialty I've had three sightings

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during my career but I also have a

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pretty you know heavy a background in

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the the paranormal and I'm big on

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synchronicities to me nothing really is

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a coincidence it all happens by choice

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now who is doing the choosing is another

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you know that one out yet no no anybody

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who claims that they have you know is

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you know it's 40 to me I mean anybody in

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fact in any of these subjects anybody

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the claims that they have the answer

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answer or answers probably have no

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answers they better go check their

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answers check them check them out

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thoroughly you know and that's what I've

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tried to do over the years people always

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say oh you know you have a sensational

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sensationalistic approach to this well I

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guess because they you know I've edited

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all these different magazines or over

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the years and I you know I was a

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and the Tattler and all these other

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their headlines and also I got into that

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I always think you got to have a strong

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punch line for you know an article push

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you can't let the reader down either you

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got to kind of deliver at least part of

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the time otherwise you could just say

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it's a you know here's another guy

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is a sensational subject you know I you

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you're you're interested in lights in

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the sky that's not really gonna get you

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down below treetop level that really

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learning and investigation happens that

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researchers have not bothered to do is

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that you know there's been a lot of

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pilots that have seen UFOs and police

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individuals from any walk of life it

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oh all he saw was the planet Venus

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so now after all these years if somebody

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else's about UFOs he'll say

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the idea that it was the planet Venus

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of UFO reports in that town where he had

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the sighting and some of these one of

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them hovered right over the only the big

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individuals are so clipped a couple of

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clips was and moving describes how this

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that you know not far away so that

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times I might see something moving

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of the year you know and this would have

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about a wave now but there was there was

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a buzz in the air about you know flying

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halls book and Edward blue felt who's

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after page of but UFO sighting in

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number and the pulled the police and a

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phone number and so he gets a calls on a

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to print these stories and they would

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getting back to my first signing it was

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stoop as they say and somebody came

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leather factory that made purses or

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to hovering over the house or above the

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street actually where I was and these

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vanished like somebody had pulled the

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light switch and it was a god the other

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little item in the newspaper to the

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effect that other people had seen this

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these UFOs in the sky but the

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authorities were saying there was

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nothing except a weather balloon well

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even at the age of 10 I knew that this

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couldn't be a weather balloon it was

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something that's seemed to be under

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intelligent control

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it wasn't bobbing and weaving in the air

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current and it was it was lit up now if

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people say well did you you know see any

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portholes or landing gear or did any

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little green men wave at you and now I

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can't say that I did because it was kind

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of up above the the clouds layer

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anyway I became interested in the

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subject I guess maybe I was before that

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was I have a little poltergeist activity

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closing and lights going on and also I

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kind of had a an interest in oh and this

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type of stuff and I took out books in

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the library by Frank Edwards and major

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the day and I started writing letters to

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the local newspaper and people started

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contacting me with their sightings and

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16 well I started publishing a new

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letter it was the interplanetary news

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service report and it was nimma graft

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press there in the in my porch my mother

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made me move it out of the kitchen

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place it was kind of really pretty

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sloppy wait don't he had two types of

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remember them but you fed the ink and

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you could you know print with the

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stencils and we we built this up to a

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circulation of about 1500 until finally

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I just couldn't do it anymore because

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you had to collate the stuff and staple

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it and it was taking away from my my

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schoolwork and you know it just so Jim

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Mosely came along he had a slightly

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bigger magazine called sourcing news and

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he offered to I guess the word would be

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binding out although he didn't offer me

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any money but he took over the lead the

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expense of sending up his magazine which

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is a little bit more professionally

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printed than mine his was all set for

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any not them demography no and he hired

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me to be managing editor for social news

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which was the paying their position and

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I started going to work in Manhattan and

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I guess I've made even though I was

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never really good at English in high

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school and never really went to

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journalism school or anything like that

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a publishing became my career I actually

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packaged or published something over

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like 30 magazines Wow newspapers over

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the years people low-budget Pope

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publishers would actually hire me to put

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the magazines together so I did

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magazines like front-page disasters I've

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been a football magazine soap opera lots

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of rock and roll I was in the Rock and

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Roll quite a bit at the time and even

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produced a few shows and stuff in fact

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the band's like kiss used to rehearse at

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the same studio some of my groups that I

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was producing their rehearse that talent

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recon up on Times Square so my

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background is in the publishing and in

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fact I edited a magazine called UFO

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universe which was sold on the

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newsstands all over the country that

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lasted for about 11 or 12 years and so

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the bottom just fell out

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Publishing all together magazine

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publishing I mean now you know even here

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in Manhattan you can't find a newsstand

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I mean if you want to buy you know like

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a magazine or something like I can go to

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Barnes & Noble and they have a selection

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but they used to be magazines to be sold

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on every corner you know as an outdoor

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stand on the guy so you lose but you

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can't get hardly anymore you gotta

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realize yeah and I think it's terrible

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because I you know I'm I'm not a man of

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the the Internet age although I and now

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I guess I am to a certain degree because

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you need it for a business and all but I

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have a hard time reading a magazine on

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the on the on the screen even even on my

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Kindle you know I mean I turn it

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sideways and it looks fine but I'd

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rather have the magazine in my hand so I

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and then I became that public I started

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publishing books and stuff and now we

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have over two hundred two titles and a

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wide range of subjects mostly paranormal

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and ufo-related some religious stuff a

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lot of magic and that prestidigitation

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but occultism type of stuff you know and

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some we have a book on Jimi Hendrix and

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some celebrity stuff you know who try

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their hands and everything and managed

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to actually I started publishing my own

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little stuff in about 1965 so I've seen

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more publishers and distributors and

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wholesalers and rack men or jobbers and

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whatever they call come and go and since

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I've always maintained control of what I

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do

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we're still here and you know I've

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gotten older I can't say I've gotten too

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much water but I you know I'm still here

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and I'm doing it and I guess I'll be

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doing it almost up until the day that

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you know I go onto the next phase of

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existence or something and you know

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we've had our ups and downs but like I

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said we have almost 200 titles on Amazon

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if read listeners they're interested all

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they have to do is go over to Amazon and

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you know click on the books and type in

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my name Tennessee Beckley and a lot of

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those titles and I don't know how a

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hundred and seventy of them will show up

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at least

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because I try to attach my name to it is

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that it or something anyway because I

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that's an easy way to find out what's

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going on anyway my first sighting was in

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1957 my second one was in the 1980s I

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really would but in 1981 1982 I was

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invited by my friend the late l8er Liske

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LAN party who is a member of the House

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of Lords in England

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now the Ehrlich clan card he was real

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name is Brinsley Laporte French was one

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of the original editors of the very

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prestigious with the Time magazine

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called Flying Saucer review which came

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out of England and had a was the only

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magazine that had an international

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circulation and they were getting

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reports from all countries and a lot of

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them dealt with contacts and humanoid

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creatures and things just beyond like

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lights in the sky anyway a Brinsley I

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had invited me and my only son to come

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over and talk to his UFO group which was

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part of the House of Lords it's been on

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the official group but he was the first

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one of the first actually to press for

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what we we would today call disclosure

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and he had about 75 members of the the

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group a few skeptics and a lot of

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believers including Lord Hill Norton who

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was the head of the British the

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Department of Defense and a five-star

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Admiral and he was interested in the

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subject and so they push for disclosures

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and try to get the Ministry of Defence

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which of course the Pope later what you

404
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know that to disclose this information

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anyway after giving my little talk there

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at the House of Lords I took the train

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and went over to this town near

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Stonehenge warminster now warminster

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it's at the point in the 1970s was like

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the hub of UFO activity I mean there

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were hundreds and hundreds of sightings

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going on over Starr Hill and cradle Hill

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and it was it was phenomenal and there

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was a fella by the name of Arthur

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shuttleworth who book I later publish

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than in the United States here he was

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the former skeptic and he was the editor

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of the daily newspaper there the woman

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stood Journal and we went out one night

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you know I'm just visiting and he

421
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invited me up to the cradle field were

422
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most of these sightings had gone on and

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at one point around 10 o'clock he

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motioned to some object in the sky or

425
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pointing out some objects in the sky and

426
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now I would say it was the size of about

427
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a basketball it was fairly well lit but

428
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you couldn't see any different

429
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definition levels you couldn't see make

430
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out him at all all of the craft or

431
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anything like like that you know I mean

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I won't exaggerating the answer the

433
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story I just tell you what happened and

434
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in fact at first I thought well maybe it

435
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couldn't have been a streetlight because

436
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with no streets there and it was way up

437
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in the sky now we weren't near a

438
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military base and some of the skeptics

439
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who said oh this was like military stuff

440
00:18:59,570 --> 00:18:55,170
that was going on but I saw a wondeful

441
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he was retired RAF pilot Bob strong and

442
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he had like seven or eight albums photo

443
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albums filled with all kinds of

444
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photographs you know he would mount a

445
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camera on a tripod on the on the roof of

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his car and stay out all night and got

447
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just some really really remarkable

448
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things object UFOs that look like that's

449
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your one UFO that looked like a train

450
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passing across the sky it was some

451
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phenomenal stuff now he passed away

452
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several decade or more ago and I don't

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know what happened to his photograph so

454
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some of them were published and authors

455
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books you know over there but that's the

456
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thing in the past and unfortunately I

457
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think a lot of them were destroyed

458
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because usually when something happens

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to a researcher and he passes away the

460
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family has no interest in and then it

461
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:45,180
goes into the trash compactor anyway

462
00:19:48,410 --> 00:19:46,410
anyway we're looking up at the sky and

463
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here's this object an author says wait a

464
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minute I'm going to go over to the trunk

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of my car he goes over the trunk he

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takes out this giant flashlight or torch

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I would call it I mean it's pretty big

468
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battery-operated same you know and

469
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starts blinking at the objects in the

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sky and not Morris

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told her anything but blinking blinking

472
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on and off on and off and every time he

473
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would blink at this object with this

474
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torch light it seemed to respond by

475
00:20:20,930 --> 00:20:18,720
moving around in the sky is it as if it

476
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were like a marionette you know puppet

477
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or something like that and somebody was

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controlling the strings and then after

479
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maybe ten or fifteen minutes or so the

480
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cloud covering came and it started to

481
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rain and we went back to the inn for a

482
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brew and that's the story of my second

483
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sighting but it did seem if you asked me

484
00:20:42,980 --> 00:20:39,649
it did seem that it was under can tell

485
00:20:47,419 --> 00:20:42,990
intelligent control now was it from Mars

486
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or Venus or from the Inner Earth I had

487
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no I dear but it was something that was

488
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there and it seemed to be responding to

489
00:21:02,720 --> 00:20:58,769
us if you can figure out the language

490
00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:02,730
you mean well it wasn't Morse code or

491
00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:05,700
anything like that but you know I know

492
00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:07,769
people even even so-called believers and

493
00:21:11,450 --> 00:21:09,809
they kind of poke fun at the Steven

494
00:21:13,279 --> 00:21:11,460
Greer I don't know if you ever had him

495
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,289
on the show or not but he goes out into

496
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the desert and they said lights down

497
00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:17,279
there and you know a ring of lights and

498
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starts flashing that the sky and still

499
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claim that something you know will come

500
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:25,259
over and signal back and I don't know I

501
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haven't been there with the witness that

502
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but I I can't be too skeptical of it

503
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because I do know for a fact that people

504
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have communicated through what we would

505
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call light beams or some sort of code

506
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that they set up there was a fella by

507
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the name of John Otto who back in the

508
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1950s had a number of successes in

509
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communicating or trying to contact these

510
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:53,669
craft he would actually get messages

511
00:22:00,350 --> 00:21:57,120
over his radio and the ham radio you

512
00:22:03,259 --> 00:22:00,360
know and whatever was on the other side

513
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:03,269
of the the microphone there or the

514
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airwaves would tell them where to go and

515
00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:08,279
say that they would have you know have a

516
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sighting if they tried to communicate

517
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and they were friendly and their

518
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telepathic thoughts were positive and so

519
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forth now I don't know if I believe that

520
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:18,090
or it's a little bunch of hooey up

521
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there were witnesses to the effect that

522
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they did have sightings when they went

523
00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:25,700
out and tried this form of communication

524
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:30,150
so I do think that these things these

525
00:22:35,180 --> 00:22:32,010
are just from UFOs whatever you want

526
00:22:38,180 --> 00:22:35,190
want to identify them as our under

527
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:38,190
intelligent control I don't think that a

528
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:41,700
lot of them are from other planets I

529
00:22:47,269 --> 00:22:44,250
think the majority of what we are

530
00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:47,279
witnessing is some sort of paranormal or

531
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what we would term supernatural

532
00:22:55,490 --> 00:22:53,130
phenomena what happens at a UFO landing

533
00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:55,500
site is often pretty similar to what

534
00:23:00,260 --> 00:22:57,720
happens at a seance or in a haunted

535
00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:00,270
house and many of these witnesses who

536
00:23:05,419 --> 00:23:03,059
started out just as you know witnesses

537
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:05,429
with lights in the sky later on if you

538
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:08,250
go back and contact them they'll tell

539
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:10,890
you some pretty remarkable story

540
00:23:14,899 --> 00:23:13,200
sustained experiences that they've had

541
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:14,909
since their original sighting including

542
00:23:18,769 --> 00:23:16,890
poltergeist type snowman in the house

543
00:23:21,860 --> 00:23:18,779
and so forth like there's a connection

544
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:21,870
there is a connection or we're dealing

545
00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:24,330
we're dealing well I do believe that

546
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:29,370
from time to time the there's a like

547
00:23:37,389 --> 00:23:32,880
gateways or window areas where the veil

548
00:23:45,260 --> 00:23:41,600
becomes thinner and these objects and

549
00:23:46,370 --> 00:23:45,270
occupants are able to come through now

550
00:23:48,289 --> 00:23:46,380
whether they know that they're coming

551
00:23:50,210 --> 00:23:48,299
here or whether it's kind of like people

552
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:50,220
who vanish here maybe they end up there

553
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:52,250
that's something to think about right

554
00:24:00,610 --> 00:23:55,980
and I think that even even like these

555
00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:00,620
Bigfoot creatures and Mothman and and

556
00:24:06,380 --> 00:24:04,860
the demon down there and then forget

557
00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:06,390
North to South Carolina and the other

558
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:08,220
came out a couple of times in scratch

559
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:11,220
people's car and all I think that they

560
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:13,740
come from the same place as these UFOs

561
00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:16,110
do that they're from another dimension

562
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,179
or another reality or realm or something

563
00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:20,640
along I like okay

564
00:24:24,019 --> 00:24:22,710
yeah a lot of people are the opinion if

565
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,029
they're from another dimension rather

566
00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:26,880
than another planet I think maybe myself

567
00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:29,940
that some of them may be from other

568
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:31,350
planets and some of them might be

569
00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:33,570
dimensions that honestly why it has to

570
00:24:39,529 --> 00:24:35,809
be one way or the other in other words

571
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,539
and of course now the the evidence the

572
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:42,000
evidence is rather lacking or rather

573
00:24:48,409 --> 00:24:44,970
thin for any conclusion

574
00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:48,419
that's why UFOs are unidentified and

575
00:24:51,650 --> 00:24:49,799
that's the way they remain you know

576
00:24:53,299 --> 00:24:51,660
because you can't you know if you see a

577
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:53,309
light and even if you even if you have a

578
00:24:57,169 --> 00:24:55,380
an encounter with an occupant how in

579
00:24:59,480 --> 00:24:57,179
God's name do you know it's what the

580
00:25:01,490 --> 00:24:59,490
occupant is tell you is a literal

581
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:01,500
literal truth or they're just kind of

582
00:25:06,980 --> 00:25:05,280
like you know tricksters that are making

583
00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:06,990
it up or teasing people or whatever it

584
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,169
is in fact in the early 1950s you had

585
00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:12,720
all these contact claims you know by

586
00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:15,510
George Adamski and Orfeo Anza Lucy and

587
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:18,539
dan Frye and George Van Tassel and the

588
00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:21,090
stories were colorful and I just think

589
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:22,980
that they really had a lot to do with

590
00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:26,159
sparking our imagination as far as our

591
00:25:31,940 --> 00:25:28,470
space travel and going to other planets

592
00:25:36,220 --> 00:25:31,950
and landing on the moon goes so I kind

593
00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:36,230
of don't fault these people for kind of

594
00:25:41,299 --> 00:25:39,960
expressing themselves I do believe that

595
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:41,309
some of these gentlemen may have had

596
00:25:46,970 --> 00:25:44,100
legitimate experiences you know original

597
00:25:51,890 --> 00:25:46,980
ones but later on in order to just keep

598
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:51,900
coming yeah attention they just started

599
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:54,570
you know adding a more you know stories

600
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,720
and things and so forth and it just kind

601
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,520
of sometimes would get out of hand but

602
00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:01,679
often in these these cases they would

603
00:26:08,270 --> 00:26:04,220
say that they had a meeting with some

604
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:08,280
long-haired Venusian or monka from the

605
00:26:13,130 --> 00:26:11,130
planet Mars and we know today that

606
00:26:15,260 --> 00:26:13,140
they're really probably despite but

607
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:15,270
maybe John Lear has to say I don't think

608
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:16,530
they're people walking around on the

609
00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:20,370
moon or on Mars and certainly unless

610
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:21,960
they're sunbathing they probably aren't

611
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:25,289
on Venus either yeah for a deep canyon

612
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:31,289
no less crispy critters of course of

613
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:32,940
course there is the theory that some of

614
00:26:40,399 --> 00:26:36,570
these craft are vehicles or vessels or

615
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:40,409
lights could be natural phenomena there

616
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:44,100
are certain places around the globe like

617
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:45,240
brown mountain

618
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:49,860
Carolina and the Marshall Texas where

619
00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:52,530
these sightings are almost persistent

620
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:54,900
and they seem to be more of a kind of a

621
00:27:01,070 --> 00:26:57,770
light phenomena or some sort of plasma

622
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:01,080
than they are physical craft however on

623
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:02,640
the other hand that people say oh you

624
00:27:06,410 --> 00:27:04,290
know there is quite their lights in the

625
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:06,420
caused by the movement into the Titanic

626
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:08,730
but no that's not the case either and

627
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:11,100
they certainly not Marsh gas because

628
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:12,810
these these objects are these spook

629
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:16,020
lights we're gonna call our seem to be

630
00:27:21,410 --> 00:27:17,610
under intelligent control because I know

631
00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:21,420
I've been the Brown Mountain North

632
00:27:26,690 --> 00:27:23,280
Carolina and I'm good friends with the

633
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:26,700
Joshua Warren who's done of course coast

634
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:29,250
to coast he has on show up speaking of

635
00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:32,340
strange on Saturday night and he's

636
00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:33,870
investigated the Brown Mountain lights

637
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:36,270
for several decades maybe even a little

638
00:27:41,540 --> 00:27:38,910
longer and I talked to numerous people

639
00:27:45,530 --> 00:27:41,550
when I was there back in the 60s and 70s

640
00:27:47,270 --> 00:27:45,540
who told me accounts where they would

641
00:27:48,860 --> 00:27:47,280
approach these objects and at one point

642
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:48,870
they were showing up on almost a nightly

643
00:27:52,940 --> 00:27:50,910
basis and they would get really

644
00:27:55,820 --> 00:27:52,950
approached close to these objects you

645
00:27:57,380 --> 00:27:55,830
know they would appear in the woods and

646
00:27:59,480 --> 00:27:57,390
they would move closely and one-port

647
00:28:02,180 --> 00:27:59,490
even that built a observation tower

648
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:02,190
there but as they got closer to the

649
00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:04,440
object it was just the object was

650
00:28:07,820 --> 00:28:06,120
picking up on their thoughts and teasing

651
00:28:10,220 --> 00:28:07,830
them and playing tricks on them because

652
00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:10,230
the objects would disappear in front of

653
00:28:15,020 --> 00:28:12,630
them but appear almost immediately

654
00:28:16,670 --> 00:28:15,030
immediately behind them and then if they

655
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:16,680
headed off in the directional light

656
00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:18,090
again it would vanish and do the same

657
00:28:23,180 --> 00:28:20,580
thing over and over again so they do

658
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:23,190
seem to be under you know intelligent

659
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:26,460
control even some of these spook lights

660
00:28:32,030 --> 00:28:30,240
that have been the same and whether

661
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:32,040
they're related to you know hardcore

662
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:34,650
UFOs I don't know but I I suspect

663
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:37,410
probably some of them or so I have to

664
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:39,330
wonder when they wink out like that

665
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:41,700
are they slipping into another dimension

666
00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:44,610
out of phase with ours or are they

667
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:46,260
activating some form of cloaking

668
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:50,520
technology just a mess of us well that's

669
00:28:58,190 --> 00:28:54,510
that's a good point but it seems like

670
00:28:59,150 --> 00:28:58,200
they have the ability to instantaneously

671
00:29:02,750 --> 00:28:59,160
Tran

672
00:29:04,460 --> 00:29:02,760
port themselves now here we were talking

673
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:04,470
before about the Timmy Swartz who you

674
00:29:10,210 --> 00:29:07,650
said had been on the program and Tim has

675
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:10,220
investigated quite a number of haunted

676
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:13,140
houses and he's also investigating UFO

677
00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:15,450
cases he's written quite a few books on

678
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:17,880
time travel and Nikola Tesla and so

679
00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:21,210
forth but he tells of several episodes

680
00:29:27,410 --> 00:29:23,880
where there was a publication on there

681
00:29:30,020 --> 00:29:27,420
going on in the house in Indiana and one

682
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,030
of the public guys phenomena so just

683
00:29:35,540 --> 00:29:32,880
doors opening and closing and Bureau

684
00:29:37,820 --> 00:29:35,550
drawers doing the same stones were

685
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:37,830
falling from the ceiling you know they

686
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:40,320
would appear just out of nowhere and

687
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:41,790
then they would drop to the floor clang

688
00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:44,130
clang clang and people thought well

689
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:45,390
maybe somebody in the house one of the

690
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:46,620
kids who something was throwing him from

691
00:29:51,020 --> 00:29:48,650
another room but that's not the case and

692
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:51,030
there been another effect that's a

693
00:29:57,290 --> 00:29:53,730
pretty common thing in poltergeist cases

694
00:30:00,740 --> 00:29:57,300
in fact I remember how and investigating

695
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:00,750
a case many many years ago where objects

696
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,720
were falling on somebody's roof and they

697
00:30:07,820 --> 00:30:05,760
weren't being thrown from anywhere they

698
00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:07,830
were just appearing out of nowhere and

699
00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:09,630
they almost like hell you know these

700
00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:12,030
stones and then they would fall over

701
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:14,280
into the into the yard or something like

702
00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:16,380
this and the the sheriff I mean they

703
00:30:20,330 --> 00:30:17,940
even part I remember talking to one of

704
00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:20,340
the police officers they had even parked

705
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:22,470
there you know automobiles and cruisers

706
00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:25,380
nearby you know helping to catch the

707
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:27,750
prankster throwing one of the stones but

708
00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:30,210
they they never managed to to do that

709
00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:32,670
now of course the best story of a

710
00:30:37,010 --> 00:30:35,070
teleportation like that was told to me

711
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,020
by my friend uri geller

712
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:39,360
the internationally known the spoon

713
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:42,210
bender he says he was in a house one

714
00:30:51,050 --> 00:30:47,600
time and money actually rained down on a

715
00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:51,060
place where it was they connect i need

716
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:54,630
to hang out around him you know he's

717
00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:57,240
done very well for himself I I guess if

718
00:31:02,620 --> 00:30:59,340
you got the right contacts and they do

719
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:02,630
that yeah you're in good their shape but

720
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:05,310
unfortunately that's that's not always

721
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:07,260
the case although I did have an

722
00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:10,530
experience a couple of weeks ago and I'm

723
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:12,990
very big on synchronicities and so

724
00:31:17,060 --> 00:31:15,570
called coincidences I I think that some

725
00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:17,070
of these synchronicities and it turns

726
00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:21,150
out the people in the paranormal seem to

727
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:24,260
have them more frequently than people

728
00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:27,240
who are not involved in this field all

729
00:31:32,270 --> 00:31:29,340
right well let me let me set this up for

730
00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:32,280
you it was a one of the first nice days

731
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:36,900
of summer and my associate Carol who's

732
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:38,910
worked with me for many years and she

733
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:40,890
does the the covers of some of our books

734
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:44,480
and she's been fascinated with the

735
00:31:50,150 --> 00:31:47,700
paranormal in fact I first met her she

736
00:31:51,860 --> 00:31:50,160
came to the New York school of occult

737
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:51,870
Arts and Sciences that I was running

738
00:31:54,890 --> 00:31:53,100
back in the 70s

739
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:54,900
I had one of the first metaphysical

740
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:56,730
centers in the country of course now

741
00:32:00,380 --> 00:31:58,380
there are many or at least they went

742
00:32:03,130 --> 00:32:00,390
through a faith so we decided we're

743
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:03,140
going to take the bus across town to

744
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:05,820
Hudson River Park I had never been there

745
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:09,090
before but I I understand was very nice

746
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,730
and it's on the river and so forth and

747
00:32:15,980 --> 00:32:13,679
it was a very nice space I figure well

748
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:15,990
let's do a little something different so

749
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:19,679
Carol suggests she says let's go over to

750
00:32:26,060 --> 00:32:23,340
23rd Street and bring some change with

751
00:32:29,270 --> 00:32:26,070
you now normally the bus in in Manhattan

752
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,280
question $2.50 and you can't put a

753
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:31,440
dollar bill in if you don't have a metro

754
00:32:36,890 --> 00:32:33,510
card you got to throw dimes and quarters

755
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:36,900
and nickels no pennies please and and

756
00:32:42,380 --> 00:32:40,320
certainly no foreign money so we get

757
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:42,390
over to the bus stop on Fifth Avenue

758
00:32:49,549 --> 00:32:45,050
we're going over the 10th or 11th Avenue

759
00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:49,559
and Carol sets of issues as you know if

760
00:32:56,540 --> 00:32:53,670
you so show your ID you're senior

761
00:32:58,190 --> 00:32:56,550
citizen ID you get on the bus for half

762
00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:58,200
price which would be a buck and a

763
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:00,360
quarter well one of the reasons I never

764
00:33:05,030 --> 00:33:03,000
take the bus it's 250 and who the heck

765
00:33:06,620 --> 00:33:05,040
is usually got that amount of change we

766
00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:06,630
got a story around in your pocket and

767
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:09,750
there's all kinds and stuff so for the

768
00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:11,910
day I had taken my change and I put in a

769
00:33:18,530 --> 00:33:16,350
little just compartment or something

770
00:33:20,919 --> 00:33:18,540
right like a little wallet so that I

771
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:20,929
could fish it out and throw it into the

772
00:33:26,090 --> 00:33:24,000
the place where you feel the change on

773
00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:26,100
the bus you know and then the driver

774
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:26,820
kind

775
00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:28,769
gotcha and something you know goes

776
00:33:32,139 --> 00:33:29,880
they'll give you a little buzz or

777
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:32,149
something and you go on side

778
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:35,100
sure that you pay so it counts it

779
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:38,399
automatically or the points so I take

780
00:33:45,499 --> 00:33:41,159
the the coins out of my little change

781
00:33:48,889 --> 00:33:45,509
purse and I tell it Carol hold on to the

782
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:48,899
quarters while I look at my wallet and

783
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:52,080
see where my ID is right show the driver

784
00:33:57,980 --> 00:33:56,159
and while I'm fishing for my ID she says

785
00:33:59,960 --> 00:33:57,990
to me oh well you better find another

786
00:34:02,379 --> 00:33:59,970
quarter because one of these is a

787
00:34:05,619 --> 00:34:02,389
Canadian quarter and you can't use that

788
00:34:08,359 --> 00:34:05,629
on the bus the driver will toss you off

789
00:34:08,839 --> 00:34:08,369
and and besides it won't go through the

790
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:08,849
change

791
00:34:17,659 --> 00:34:14,879
the bus at home okay it's no problem

792
00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:17,669
so I find another quarter and I said to

793
00:34:20,659 --> 00:34:19,109
myself well what do I do with the

794
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:20,669
Canadian quarter if I put it back in

795
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:22,530
with my change I'm only going to have to

796
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:24,210
go through this again

797
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:27,569
and that's somewhat of a new sense but I

798
00:34:32,419 --> 00:34:29,310
hate to throw change out I mean money is

799
00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:32,429
money so I took the Canadian quarter and

800
00:34:37,629 --> 00:34:35,730
I put it on the little bench where the

801
00:34:40,220 --> 00:34:37,639
people that are waiting for the bus

802
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:40,230
would be seated right I figure well

803
00:34:44,270 --> 00:34:42,690
maybe somebody from Toronto will show up

804
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:44,280
and see the court in there and they

805
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:46,379
could take it home and whose it is the

806
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:49,500
change of Canada okay so we get on the

807
00:34:54,589 --> 00:34:52,379
bus I throw my five American quarters

808
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:54,599
into the turnstile there and we sit down

809
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:58,200
now early bus ride across town it only

810
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:00,300
takes it there'd be five or six minutes

811
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:02,490
you're not going very far but it beats

812
00:35:08,839 --> 00:35:04,980
you know walking if it's 85 degrees out

813
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:08,849
so okay we sit down and normally they

814
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,440
they recommend you get off the back of

815
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:12,900
the bus but sometimes it's hard to push

816
00:35:17,089 --> 00:35:14,730
the door open and there wasn't a lot of

817
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:17,099
people waiting in line to get on the bus

818
00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:18,569
from the front door anyway since we were

819
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:21,900
at the final destination so carol goes

820
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:23,730
ahead of me and i'm walking down the two

821
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:26,220
three stairs that lead to the to the

822
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:29,310
street and there on the sidewalk exactly

823
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:32,339
where the bench would have been if they

824
00:35:36,859 --> 00:35:33,900
had a bench just like where i left the

825
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,869
quarter was a shiny quarter on the

826
00:35:39,380 --> 00:35:37,680
ground

827
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:39,390
I picked it up and it was an American

828
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:43,410
quarter so now I left a Canadian quarter

829
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:46,170
at the bus stop where we got on and I

830
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:50,700
found an American quarter when we got

831
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:52,740
off the bus now what is the chance of

832
00:35:58,099 --> 00:35:56,160
that happening and next next to none now

833
00:36:01,970 --> 00:35:58,109
I figure with the rate of exchange I

834
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:01,980
made about a penny and a half so I was

835
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:04,500
ahead of the the game but I think

836
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:06,599
somebody is doing this now I've had

837
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:09,450
other incidences but with change change

838
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:13,290
seems to be one of the ways that whoever

839
00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:15,480
is responsible for these coincidences

840
00:36:21,140 --> 00:36:18,390
and like I say I think there is some

841
00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:21,150
intelligence behind it if the listeners

842
00:36:27,319 --> 00:36:23,460
want to get a grip on this I suggest

843
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:27,329
that they Google dr. Johnson Lilly now

844
00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:31,970
dr. Johnson Lilly was a scientist who

845
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:35,790
claimed that he talked or communicated

846
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:38,690
with dolphins and he had a lot of

847
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:41,400
synchronicities pretty far out the ones

848
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:43,980
and he believed that there was actually

849
00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:47,220
a synchronicity kind of review board or

850
00:36:51,859 --> 00:36:50,040
something in some other dimension and by

851
00:36:54,829 --> 00:36:51,869
setting up coincidence and

852
00:36:57,559 --> 00:36:54,839
synchronicities this was their way of

853
00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:57,569
communicating with us since they could

854
00:37:02,569 --> 00:36:59,700
not appear in physical form and also

855
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:02,579
proving their existence now it seems

856
00:37:08,329 --> 00:37:05,010
like a far-fetched theory but I have

857
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:08,339
gone into places like many many years

858
00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:10,890
ago I was invited to speak and for a

859
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:13,500
group in San Francisco I had never been

860
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:17,130
to San Francisco before it was a fairly

861
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:18,720
successful lecture I think we had three

862
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:20,280
or four hundred people there was at a

863
00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:23,010
high school auditorium the reason people

864
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,900
in the balcony and I showed my UFO

865
00:37:29,539 --> 00:37:27,119
slides and of course I was fairly young

866
00:37:33,049 --> 00:37:29,549
at that age so I had less of an inkling

867
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,059
about what was going on so now that was

868
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:35,040
on a like a Friday or a Saturday night

869
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:36,569
and I was scheduled to leave San Fran's

870
00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:39,720
let's go back to the east on Sunday late

871
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,470
in the afternoon so we decided since we

872
00:37:47,539 --> 00:37:45,119
have time to kill the promoter suggest

873
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:47,549
that well they were going to take me out

874
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:48,180
to brunch

875
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:51,660
so they ticked the place at

876
00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:54,930
random in downtown San Francisco nobody

877
00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:56,940
certainly not me and none of them had

878
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:00,420
ever been in this particular restaurant

879
00:38:05,299 --> 00:38:03,089
before and we were gonna have a couple

880
00:38:07,370 --> 00:38:05,309
of Bloody Marys and Eggs Benedict or

881
00:38:08,660 --> 00:38:07,380
whatever either and you know Sunday at

882
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:08,670
brunch

883
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:11,010
and I happen to mention to the the group

884
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:12,240
I think there was five or six people

885
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:14,940
there I said you know Jesus oughta head

886
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:18,119
one of my friends who used to teach at

887
00:38:20,809 --> 00:38:19,770
the New York school of occult Arts and

888
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:20,819
Sciences

889
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:23,220
a fella by the name of Alan born who was

890
00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:26,130
a psychic himself but he was also a very

891
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:29,940
serious parapsychologist had moved to

892
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:34,170
San Francisco to the editor of a psychic

893
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:38,250
magazine which was a nicely laid out and

894
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,339
very graphic paranormal publication in

895
00:38:44,660 --> 00:38:42,720
those days when magazines were being

896
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:44,670
published on all sorts of subjects and

897
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:48,720
it had kind of a very serious quasi

898
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:51,450
scientific approach to the subject and I

899
00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:52,890
said well geez I should have really

900
00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:54,839
called Alan and try to get in touch with

901
00:38:58,250 --> 00:38:56,220
him and invite him to come to my o'clock

902
00:39:00,019 --> 00:38:58,260
because he was a good friend of mine and

903
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:00,029
we always had a beer together and a few

904
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:02,910
jokes and so forth and you know after he

905
00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:05,099
would lecture or teach a workshop at the

906
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:07,470
New York School of Social Sciences so

907
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:10,619
about ten minutes later the the swinging

908
00:39:17,299 --> 00:39:14,400
doors to this bar swing open and who

909
00:39:20,269 --> 00:39:17,309
walks in somebody that looked like Alan

910
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:20,279
thorne and I you know I braced the guy

911
00:39:25,789 --> 00:39:22,250
over and I said aren't you

912
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:25,799
Alan Vaughn and he said yes I said well

913
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:29,940
I explained the situation and I said

914
00:39:33,049 --> 00:39:31,710
well do you come here often I mean like

915
00:39:35,059 --> 00:39:33,059
how do you meet somebody in San

916
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:35,069
Francisco which probably got a million

917
00:39:38,539 --> 00:39:36,660
and a half population or something like

918
00:39:39,799 --> 00:39:38,549
that maybe more that you've never been

919
00:39:42,289 --> 00:39:39,809
to this restaurant you've never been to

920
00:39:43,789 --> 00:39:42,299
the town before and here comes the very

921
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:43,799
person that you're talking about through

922
00:39:48,289 --> 00:39:46,980
the door and and so we sat down we had a

923
00:39:49,819 --> 00:39:48,299
good chuckle about it and I said well

924
00:39:51,319 --> 00:39:49,829
Alan you know I know you had it at

925
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:51,329
psychic magazine what are you working on

926
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:53,970
now he said well you know this is

927
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,740
another synchronicity I'm doing a book

928
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:57,839
on coincidences and synchronicities and

929
00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:00,119
I guess I'll have to use this in the

930
00:40:05,299 --> 00:40:03,240
book so if you can find this dusty old

931
00:40:08,029 --> 00:40:05,309
paperback book it was done in the

932
00:40:10,099 --> 00:40:08,039
the late 60s early 70s by Ellen Vaughan

933
00:40:12,460 --> 00:40:10,109
I think we're k17 in there where he

934
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:12,470
talks about running into me in this

935
00:40:17,509 --> 00:40:14,700
place if none of us had ever been in

936
00:40:20,809 --> 00:40:17,519
before and I have that remarkable

937
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:20,819
ability to run into people that I know

938
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,410
but they don't know that I'm going to be

939
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:24,480
in a certain location in fact there was

940
00:40:27,499 --> 00:40:25,619
a fellow who used to work for Omni

941
00:40:30,670 --> 00:40:27,509
magazine by the name of Harry level s'en

942
00:40:33,289 --> 00:40:30,680
and Harry had moved from New York to

943
00:40:37,009 --> 00:40:33,299
Miami Beach but he never had a telephone

944
00:40:38,509 --> 00:40:37,019
he hated telephones and you could really

945
00:40:40,099 --> 00:40:38,519
only reach him there was no email and

946
00:40:41,569 --> 00:40:40,109
those they gotta write him a letter and

947
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:41,579
maybe he'd answer a month or so later

948
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:44,579
well every time I was in Miami I'd run

949
00:40:49,309 --> 00:40:47,640
into the fellow he would be a harry

950
00:40:53,299 --> 00:40:49,319
level said he'd be going to the post

951
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:53,309
office to pick up his mail and I'd be

952
00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:55,049
you know eating and look at some coffee

953
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:57,000
shop there and he would appear and

954
00:41:01,069 --> 00:40:58,890
appear you know and we'd have a brief

955
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:01,079
conversation and then - it's fierce

956
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:03,000
later the same thing would go on you

957
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:05,400
know so I don't know are these things -

958
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:08,609
just coincidences it seems like they're

959
00:41:14,289 --> 00:41:10,529
beyond coincidences I mean you don't

960
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,299
leave a quarter and a bus stop and then

961
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:16,740
seven or eight blocks later you find

962
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:19,890
another quarter I mean it's just it kind

963
00:41:24,259 --> 00:41:21,990
of boggles the mind and I found out that

964
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:24,269
like I say I kind of did an unofficial

965
00:41:30,259 --> 00:41:27,359
survey that the people in this field

966
00:41:33,319 --> 00:41:30,269
seem to have more synchronicities and

967
00:41:35,779 --> 00:41:33,329
people who don't but then maybe most

968
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:35,789
people just don't see they don't you

969
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:37,170
know maybe they don't keep track of it

970
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:38,700
or they don't know the further it I was

971
00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:43,410
going to say I was thinking maybe what

972
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:45,390
happens is people in this particular

973
00:41:49,999 --> 00:41:47,460
field are more used to paying better

974
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:50,009
attention or more attention to it so

975
00:42:00,200 --> 00:41:56,690
they picked up on it I mean it's just

976
00:42:03,019 --> 00:42:00,210
I'm going to eventually maybe do a book

977
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:03,029
on it but people ask me well what does

978
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:05,369
it mean well it hasn't told me to go

979
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:07,250
over to a certain slot machine in

980
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:09,930
Atlantic City or anything like that the

981
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,210
only thing I've come out ahead so far is

982
00:42:16,220 --> 00:42:14,400
the like I say about a penny and a half

983
00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:16,230
on the Canadian quarter what's the rate

984
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:18,840
of exchange so I don't I know

985
00:42:26,330 --> 00:42:21,690
No you know what that all it means but

986
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:26,340
now another time I was having a I was

987
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:31,920
organizing and I put together a UFO Expo

988
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:35,130
UFO paranormal Expo in Palm Springs

989
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:39,720
not far from giant rock where the UFO

990
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:41,940
contact the movement had actually begun

991
00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:43,740
you know in the early New Age movement

992
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:44,940
whatever you want to call it in the

993
00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:49,440
early 1950s and our guest of honor was

994
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:53,550
Robert Weiss who did directed the movie

995
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:55,560
The Day the Earth Stood Still

996
00:43:01,400 --> 00:42:58,890
you know what Klaatu and the row bud and

997
00:43:04,580 --> 00:43:01,410
all of that one of the better science

998
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:04,590
fiction movies directly related to UFOs

999
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:07,110
I'm sure everybody's seen at the several

1000
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,900
I've heard of it yeah yeah it's it's one

1001
00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:11,760
of my favorites one of my favorite you

1002
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:14,670
know films the actual occupant of the

1003
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:16,500
the craft is a human being you know

1004
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:19,980
human type looking person from another

1005
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:22,560
planet who comes down here to to warn us

1006
00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:25,410
about our use of nuclear activity and

1007
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:27,180
bombs and stuff like that it's a very

1008
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:31,380
new agey type of scene so I invited

1009
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:33,930
Robert Weiss who was the director to

1010
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:37,770
give a our keynote talk on the subject

1011
00:43:41,420 --> 00:43:40,440
and Palm Springs it's a I don't know if

1012
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:41,430
you've been there now that's a lovely

1013
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:44,370
place to go all the millionaire's like

1014
00:43:49,310 --> 00:43:48,690
Arthur Godfrey and all the and Roy

1015
00:43:52,460 --> 00:43:49,320
Rogers

1016
00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:52,470
they all had big you know estates there

1017
00:43:57,380 --> 00:43:54,390
I mean because they had they had bought

1018
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,390
into Palm Springs you know just when

1019
00:44:01,760 --> 00:43:59,040
Hollywood was exploding what was that

1020
00:44:03,590 --> 00:44:01,770
did in the late 30s early 40s or

1021
00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:03,600
something so they had they had so it was

1022
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,030
a lot of wealth there and a lot of golf

1023
00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:07,920
courses and restaurants and stuff like

1024
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:09,960
that and I worked a spectacular deal

1025
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:11,310
with one of the resort's there where

1026
00:44:14,780 --> 00:44:13,050
they didn't charge me anything

1027
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:14,790
to put on the expo you know for the room

1028
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:17,370
the banquet rooms or anything like that

1029
00:44:20,540 --> 00:44:18,510
because it was in the middle of the

1030
00:44:24,830 --> 00:44:20,550
summer and it couldn't rent it out so we

1031
00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:24,840
had this fairly big deal and three and

1032
00:44:30,310 --> 00:44:27,720
nights three days of UFO lectures and

1033
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:30,320
workshops and things along that line and

1034
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:32,700
I was you know I was very happy that

1035
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:35,310
I successfully put this together okay so

1036
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:38,790
we're setting up on Friday and late

1037
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:40,200
afternoon you know the vendors are

1038
00:44:44,750 --> 00:44:42,410
coming in and putting their books and

1039
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:44,760
VHS tapes I guess in those days because

1040
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:46,770
there wasn't any DVDs and they're

1041
00:44:50,060 --> 00:44:48,540
setting up their tables with the UFL

1042
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:50,070
photographs and stuff we're and we're

1043
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:51,990
downstairs we got all the banquet

1044
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:54,780
facilities that we need lecture halls

1045
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:55,710
and so forth

1046
00:45:01,550 --> 00:44:58,560
and there are some stragglers that are

1047
00:45:04,099 --> 00:45:01,560
just coming in from the street you know

1048
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:04,109
the public even though we weren't

1049
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:06,089
supposed to be open to that evening I

1050
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,000
wasn't going to chase anybody away

1051
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:10,560
because we were too busy you know trying

1052
00:45:14,839 --> 00:45:12,839
to get our books out of boxes and get

1053
00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:14,849
him on the table anyway so this one

1054
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:18,750
gentleman comes by and he stops at the

1055
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:21,410
table picks up a couple of books and

1056
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:24,410
leaves them you know behind and

1057
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:26,609
continues to you know walk around the

1058
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:29,640
other tables so I noticed that he had

1059
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:31,560
left a stack of mail there like he had

1060
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:35,010
just been from the you know picked up

1061
00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:36,900
the mail from the post office because it

1062
00:45:40,579 --> 00:45:39,000
had you know rubber band around it and

1063
00:45:42,620 --> 00:45:40,589
maybe was ten letters or something like

1064
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:42,630
that people still used to mail in those

1065
00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:44,190
days and the post office was able to

1066
00:45:48,859 --> 00:45:46,950
deliver a mail without putting it into

1067
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:48,869
somebody is the wrong mailbox and so

1068
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:51,510
forth you know the good old days the

1069
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:54,119
good old days yeah yeah okay so anyway

1070
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:56,609
this guy goes to is continuing his

1071
00:46:00,200 --> 00:45:58,200
looking at the the other books from the

1072
00:46:02,359 --> 00:46:00,210
other tables and lisas mail there and

1073
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:02,369
and so I pick it up and I haven't a

1074
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,770
glanced at it before it's following him

1075
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:06,960
down the hall and I see that the mail is

1076
00:46:11,540 --> 00:46:10,140
addressed to Kenneth Anger now I don't

1077
00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:11,550
know who if you know who Kenneth Anger

1078
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:15,960
is but he's this underground movie maker

1079
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:18,960
he he did a film years ago that kind of

1080
00:46:26,650 --> 00:46:21,569
had a cult following called Scorpio

1081
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:26,660
Rising and the the music was done by

1082
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:28,380
Robert Plant

1083
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:31,859
you know Led Zeppelin and he was into

1084
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:35,010
Crowley and the cultism and stuff and he

1085
00:46:38,180 --> 00:46:36,810
had a he was quite a figure on the

1086
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:38,190
underground movie scene and of course I

1087
00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:40,859
make some films and I've always been

1088
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:42,750
intrigued with some of the people anyway

1089
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,490
he had it he had a following but you had

1090
00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:46,880
to know you know the underground and

1091
00:46:51,310 --> 00:46:48,440
turning those movies to know who he was

1092
00:46:54,370 --> 00:46:51,320
I mean it wasn't a figure that was known

1093
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,380
I think widely to the public more of an

1094
00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:56,240
art artistic that I'd kind of like the

1095
00:47:01,960 --> 00:46:58,970
Andy Warhol or the the West Coasters he

1096
00:47:03,970 --> 00:47:01,970
probably wanted to keep a low profile I

1097
00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:03,980
don't know she wanted that you know he

1098
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:05,030
would have liked that thing to have

1099
00:47:09,310 --> 00:47:06,890
Easton live actually I think he would

1100
00:47:11,740 --> 00:47:09,320
like to have more people see his films

1101
00:47:14,530 --> 00:47:11,750
but it was kind of Lee you know not very

1102
00:47:16,690 --> 00:47:14,540
low-budget and very artsy and I I

1103
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:16,700
enjoyed them I mean I to this day I mean

1104
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:19,970
she can you could find the the Scorpio

1105
00:47:26,530 --> 00:47:22,310
rising as well when it's something like

1106
00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:26,540
you won't see again probably anyway

1107
00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:28,760
sorry I took up this mail and I figured

1108
00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:31,160
what Jesus really Kenneth Anger because

1109
00:47:35,110 --> 00:47:33,590
he's one of my you know I wouldn't say

1110
00:47:37,330 --> 00:47:35,120
heroes but he's somebody that I'm

1111
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:37,340
interested in and intrigued by what

1112
00:47:42,820 --> 00:47:39,050
would he be doing at my conference you

1113
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:42,830
know so I pick up the mail and I fall

1114
00:47:48,130 --> 00:47:45,200
down the hall and I say excuse me left

1115
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,140
us here you know on my table and by the

1116
00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:50,000
way I couldn't help but seeing your name

1117
00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:52,190
on the envelopes are you the Kenneth

1118
00:47:57,220 --> 00:47:54,470
Anger the movie the movie maker and he

1119
00:47:59,140 --> 00:47:57,230
said yet yes I am and we had a brief

1120
00:48:01,930 --> 00:47:59,150
conversation I said are you here for the

1121
00:48:04,270 --> 00:48:01,940
conference he said yes but I really

1122
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:04,280
can't you know afford to go for the

1123
00:48:09,490 --> 00:48:06,530
whole event and I said well you have to

1124
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:09,500
be my guest so i seated him at the same

1125
00:48:16,210 --> 00:48:12,050
table as Robert Weiss and I got to

1126
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:16,220
introduce both of them that evening at

1127
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,530
the bank where this part of the

1128
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:20,960
conference you know again I mean what is

1129
00:48:24,910 --> 00:48:22,850
the chances of you know running into

1130
00:48:27,460 --> 00:48:24,920
somebody like that who you've always

1131
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:27,470
admired at you know at your UFO

1132
00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:29,510
conference and I would have never known

1133
00:48:32,050 --> 00:48:31,430
who it was if he hadn't left the mail

1134
00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:32,060
behind

1135
00:48:36,460 --> 00:48:33,830
see that's the kicker there I mean

1136
00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:36,470
somebody made him something or whatever

1137
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:38,630
made him leave that stack of mail and

1138
00:48:44,050 --> 00:48:40,960
there so I've got to introduce him and

1139
00:48:46,510 --> 00:48:44,060
he's still making films and working as

1140
00:48:49,090 --> 00:48:46,520
an artist and so forth he could Google

1141
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:49,100
Kenneth Anger and he's had quite a quite

1142
00:48:54,730 --> 00:48:52,640
a career actually you know anyway never

1143
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:54,740
that was one of the highlights of my I

1144
00:49:05,330 --> 00:48:59,640
guess a career a career as a UFO

1145
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,340
Expo entrepreneur haha and how long were

1146
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:06,960
you doing this here before you got into

1147
00:49:15,260 --> 00:49:11,940
conspiracy Journal well conspiracy

1148
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:15,270
journal is now we just printed issue

1149
00:49:21,860 --> 00:49:19,890
number 42 but if you look closely at the

1150
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:21,870
massive conspiracy journal bizarre

1151
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,530
bizarre

1152
00:49:29,810 --> 00:49:24,800
it says incorporating inner light and

1153
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:29,820
UFO review now I put out like I say

1154
00:49:36,550 --> 00:49:32,490
article thirty years more magazines and

1155
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:36,560
newspapers over the years the UFO review

1156
00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:41,280
was the world's only us own newspaper

1157
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:45,480
and it was distributed all over the

1158
00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:47,940
country I think a little bit in Europe

1159
00:49:52,610 --> 00:49:49,950
although it's kind of hard to bundle up

1160
00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:52,620
the newspapers and send them there and

1161
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:55,560
it was the only the only newspaper on

1162
00:49:59,360 --> 00:49:58,140
the topic and it it did fairly well I

1163
00:50:01,010 --> 00:49:59,370
mean you have full magazines you're

1164
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:01,020
never going to get rich by doing them

1165
00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:03,090
and the today enough even go to sell

1166
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:04,440
them because there's no place to sell

1167
00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:06,180
them you know in fact you know open

1168
00:50:11,060 --> 00:50:08,670
minds magazine just fold it with your

1169
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:11,070
last issue with been very successful

1170
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:14,810
holding them those UFO conventions in

1171
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:18,330
you know Arizona for last how many years

1172
00:50:22,580 --> 00:50:20,330
and they put out a very colorful

1173
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:22,590
magazine and had a lot of good material

1174
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:27,690
in it and I the friend and Antonia who

1175
00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:31,130
næss was one of the editors for a while

1176
00:50:37,010 --> 00:50:34,980
and it's very lively magazine but it

1177
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:37,020
just recently folded because there are

1178
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:39,510
no places to put magazines out anymore

1179
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:42,570
so I don't know it like I say it in

1180
00:50:48,860 --> 00:50:45,410
general is just kind of a continual a

1181
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:48,870
continuing process you know it got to

1182
00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:50,670
the point where UFOs weren't quite that

1183
00:50:58,100 --> 00:50:54,230
popular anymore as far as sales go so

1184
00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:58,110
it's part of the conspiracy now we don't

1185
00:51:02,270 --> 00:50:59,880
we don't get into you know like Alex

1186
00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:02,280
Jones and all I mean he's a conspiracy

1187
00:51:09,650 --> 00:51:05,700
nut and I use that word that even very

1188
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:09,660
loosely but you know he said the

1189
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:11,640
conspiracies but it's not it's not my

1190
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:13,410
kind of conspiracy for the most

1191
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:16,310
now we've published a couple of books on

1192
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:19,680
the federal exposing the Federal Reserve

1193
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:22,950
and we have one on the the evil

1194
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:26,250
banksters of Wall Street we've got

1195
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:28,380
suppressed intelligence reports which

1196
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:32,520
says a lot of this kind of fantasies

1197
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:36,540
yeah yeah but of course my saying is the

1198
00:51:43,310 --> 00:51:40,890
is the paranormal and most people get

1199
00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:43,320
into conspiracy theories

1200
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:45,900
by getting into UFOs and I guess that's

1201
00:51:50,780 --> 00:51:47,310
kind of how I did too because you

1202
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:50,790
realize that somebody's pulling the wool

1203
00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:52,680
over our eyes you know because the the

1204
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:54,660
government insists well there's nothing

1205
00:51:58,970 --> 00:51:56,970
to this well they're either dumb and

1206
00:52:01,880 --> 00:51:58,980
dumber which we certainly know over the

1207
00:52:03,830 --> 00:52:01,890
years that they are and I think a lot of

1208
00:52:05,060 --> 00:52:03,840
people realize if so they have a UFO

1209
00:52:06,670 --> 00:52:05,070
sighting when they're told that they saw

1210
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:06,680
a weather balloon or the plane of Venus

1211
00:52:12,050 --> 00:52:09,000
that somebody's tried to make a fool out

1212
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:12,060
of them yeah in fact estimates a massive

1213
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:17,040
rainstorm so if you if you can't if you

1214
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:19,020
can't believe in you the government says

1215
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:21,480
you can't believe in UFOs well what the

1216
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:23,130
hell can you believe them about anything

1217
00:52:30,350 --> 00:52:28,050
you know actually I've asked that

1218
00:52:31,610 --> 00:52:30,360
question a lot recently because it

1219
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:31,620
doesn't really matter if you're talking

1220
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:35,370
about the government ufos ghosts or you

1221
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:37,140
know the vatican or anything else

1222
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:39,030
i found very little you could really

1223
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:41,730
check on too you could believe in yeah

1224
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:45,480
for sure you can't get count what you

1225
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:47,700
can believe what they say on one hand

1226
00:52:56,180 --> 00:52:50,610
you know it's like we're living in a

1227
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:56,190
great big massive deception maybe this

1228
00:53:00,290 --> 00:52:58,380
all is an illusion the whole damn ball

1229
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,300
of wax there there are some people who

1230
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:02,400
think that we're living inside of a you

1231
00:53:08,740 --> 00:53:04,890
know a computer and that were part of

1232
00:53:12,350 --> 00:53:08,750
some virtual reality yeah yeah well i

1233
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:12,360
don't know it seems a pretty far-fetched

1234
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:14,730
and how would you how would you prove it

1235
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:17,370
you know you got a bust outside of the

1236
00:53:24,849 --> 00:53:20,280
bubble i guess somehow and then maybe if

1237
00:53:28,059 --> 00:53:24,859
you bust out you don't come back ya can

1238
00:53:31,210 --> 00:53:28,069
reminds you the matrix well yeah I guess

1239
00:53:33,069 --> 00:53:31,220
some people say well the matrix is more

1240
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:33,079
than a you know a science fiction story

1241
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:36,430
it's based on some sort of illogical

1242
00:53:43,450 --> 00:53:41,710
reality and maybe maybe maybe it is mmm

1243
00:53:46,450 --> 00:53:43,460
hard to say

1244
00:53:49,299 --> 00:53:46,460
I do know that um one of the things I

1245
00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:49,309
was wondering about you was what you

1246
00:53:53,140 --> 00:53:51,230
thought about the Roswell incident about

1247
00:53:56,499 --> 00:53:53,150
whether or not that was the actual event

1248
00:53:59,470 --> 00:53:56,509
that was being covered up or not well

1249
00:54:03,009 --> 00:53:59,480
now this is my theory on Roswell

1250
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:03,019
and and I did give credit to to Kevin

1251
00:54:12,999 --> 00:54:07,930
Randle and Donald Schmidt and all for

1252
00:54:15,220 --> 00:54:13,009
being persistent and chasing down the

1253
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:15,230
the facts and I use that in quotes

1254
00:54:20,289 --> 00:54:17,930
because facts are kind of hard to come

1255
00:54:22,569 --> 00:54:20,299
by when it comes to the Roswell incident

1256
00:54:26,109 --> 00:54:22,579
and of course there are very many there

1257
00:54:31,450 --> 00:54:26,119
are many many theories about Roswell I

1258
00:54:34,509 --> 00:54:31,460
don't subscribe to the theory that the

1259
00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:34,519
craft act of crashed outside of Roswell

1260
00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:38,329
was extraterrestrial now I did talk to

1261
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:41,630
Jesse Marcel jr. and I do believe that

1262
00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:44,720
his father bought into the house this a

1263
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:49,190
miracle metal that you could bend and

1264
00:54:53,710 --> 00:54:50,720
twist it it would go back to its

1265
00:54:56,109 --> 00:54:53,720
original shape and you couldn't you know

1266
00:55:00,640 --> 00:54:56,119
burn it or apparently destroyed it in

1267
00:55:03,819 --> 00:55:00,650
any any fashion but it doesn't sound

1268
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:03,829
like that well first of all if this is a

1269
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,529
craft from somewhere else why do they

1270
00:55:12,130 --> 00:55:09,440
crash apparently all the time or at

1271
00:55:15,339 --> 00:55:12,140
least on a frequent basis how do they

1272
00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:15,349
manage to get from there to here and and

1273
00:55:20,890 --> 00:55:19,220
back again if they can just get struck

1274
00:55:25,180 --> 00:55:20,900
by a bolt of lightning and come down in

1275
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:25,190
the desert somewhere I also have come to

1276
00:55:29,620 --> 00:55:26,720
the conclusion that the government if

1277
00:55:32,859 --> 00:55:29,630
says in effect that if you're going to

1278
00:55:34,839 --> 00:55:32,869
believe in UFOs or flying saucers as

1279
00:55:36,819 --> 00:55:34,849
they used to be called of course you

1280
00:55:38,660 --> 00:55:36,829
should believe that they come from

1281
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:38,670
another planet that

1282
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:40,730
you shouldn't believe that they come

1283
00:55:45,980 --> 00:55:44,520
somewhere closer to home but you better

1284
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:45,990
you shouldn't believe in them at all but

1285
00:55:49,310 --> 00:55:48,510
if you do I think that they come from

1286
00:55:52,190 --> 00:55:49,320
somewhere

1287
00:55:56,330 --> 00:55:52,200
you know else my feeling is is that the

1288
00:56:01,520 --> 00:55:56,340
crash at Roswell was of a device that

1289
00:56:03,980 --> 00:56:01,530
was constructed by the former Nazi

1290
00:56:07,070 --> 00:56:03,990
scientists and engineers that had been

1291
00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:07,080
brought over here to the United States

1292
00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:10,920
on the project paperclip somewhere in

1293
00:56:21,050 --> 00:56:17,480
the 1920s or 1930s a group of German

1294
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:21,060
mediums and psychics had gathered in a

1295
00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:23,610
hunting lodge and had channeled

1296
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:28,440
information from somewhere else and this

1297
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:32,760
channel information whoever was speaking

1298
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:35,250
with them or telepathically I think was

1299
00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:37,050
through automatic writing they were

1300
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:38,940
giving him designs and graphics of the

1301
00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:41,280
craft and and giving him information on

1302
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:44,070
the propulsion system and so forth I

1303
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:48,570
believe that this propulsion system was

1304
00:56:53,450 --> 00:56:51,450
developed over a period of time and when

1305
00:56:57,590 --> 00:56:53,460
these were former Nazi engineers and

1306
00:56:59,480 --> 00:56:57,600
scientists came here and the after the

1307
00:57:02,570 --> 00:56:59,490
war that they continued with this

1308
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:02,580
technology and the technology was

1309
00:57:06,740 --> 00:57:04,920
probably developed to the point where

1310
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:06,750
some of these things that we see in the

1311
00:57:11,810 --> 00:57:08,940
sky today even the boomerang and

1312
00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:11,820
triangle shapes of craft originated that

1313
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:13,020
it's some kind of technology is

1314
00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:14,280
different than the rocket propulsion

1315
00:57:20,510 --> 00:57:17,460
that we have and it was the develop IVs

1316
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:20,520
German scientist and the government

1317
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,330
certainly would not want us to know that

1318
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:26,400
they were in two hoots with a bunch of

1319
00:57:34,190 --> 00:57:29,280
ex Nazis so I think that even some of

1320
00:57:36,350 --> 00:57:34,200
these military guys will tell you all

1321
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:36,360
they saw alien bodies and they saw this

1322
00:57:40,220 --> 00:57:37,770
craft and it was probably

1323
00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:40,230
extraterrestrial because they're kind of

1324
00:57:46,940 --> 00:57:44,430
going along with what the the official

1325
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:46,950
word is is that don't talk about UFOs or

1326
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:50,130
if you do certainly don't mention this

1327
00:57:54,350 --> 00:57:52,410
Nazi technology

1328
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:54,360
in action so I think that some of these

1329
00:57:57,860 --> 00:57:56,730
crafts and the ones that certainly the

1330
00:58:00,830 --> 00:57:57,870
one that while it might have been

1331
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:00,840
several the one in Rosedale Roswell was

1332
00:58:06,830 --> 00:58:03,690
not from somewhere else it was made

1333
00:58:08,330 --> 00:58:06,840
right here on earth but this German

1334
00:58:10,610 --> 00:58:08,340
technology was probably based on

1335
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:10,620
something that was channeled now at some

1336
00:58:18,050 --> 00:58:14,760
point back in the 1920s or 30s so it

1337
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:18,060
still gives it a different slant it's

1338
00:58:22,250 --> 00:58:19,650
not like saying that it just came from

1339
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:22,260
nowhere here but the technology the

1340
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:24,420
craft of the Atlanta the crash there in

1341
00:58:29,450 --> 00:58:27,570
Roswell was not something that was you

1342
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:29,460
know over fifty thousand years ahead of

1343
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:32,160
anything that we have now I mean we

1344
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:34,890
supposedly were able to back engineer

1345
00:58:38,780 --> 00:58:37,200
the technology the transistor and all

1346
00:58:41,810 --> 00:58:38,790
this stuff so it's nothing that's

1347
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:41,820
far-fetched also if you go back to the

1348
00:58:46,070 --> 00:58:44,460
early stories the flying saucers and

1349
00:58:48,350 --> 00:58:46,080
landings and so forth

1350
00:58:50,420 --> 00:58:48,360
some of the occupants spoke the chairman

1351
00:58:52,550 --> 00:58:50,430
or at least had a German accent

1352
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:52,560
a Nebraska grain buyer by the name of

1353
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:55,500
Reinhold Smith claimed that he came

1354
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,810
across a craft of some sort the door

1355
00:59:03,620 --> 00:58:59,760
opened he went inside and here were

1356
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,630
these Arian looking crew members their

1357
00:59:07,850 --> 00:59:06,240
occupants of this craft and they spoke

1358
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:07,860
with a German accent

1359
00:59:13,940 --> 00:59:10,890
and even in George Adamski what does he

1360
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:13,950
describe meeting a very Aryan type or

1361
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:15,690
Athan with long blond hair and blue eyes

1362
00:59:21,970 --> 00:59:19,410
and and so forth so I think it all

1363
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:21,980
points back to this with German or

1364
00:59:27,050 --> 00:59:25,200
beginning of the sorceress story and the

1365
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:27,060
government has successfully covered up

1366
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:30,890
at least this part of the phenomena by

1367
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:33,810
making us think that it's all you know

1368
00:59:37,790 --> 00:59:36,000
if you're gonna believe believe they're

1369
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:37,800
from Mars or Venus some believe that

1370
00:59:46,910 --> 00:59:42,450
they're from Berlin right though Berlin

1371
00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:46,920
sources here all righty well listen it's

1372
00:59:52,190 --> 00:59:49,740
come upon the bewitching our honest I do

1373
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:52,200
that and I've had the microphone you

1374
00:59:54,740 --> 00:59:53,730
know no it's fine it's fine you're

1375
00:59:57,140 --> 00:59:54,750
interesting to listen to

1376
00:59:58,850 --> 00:59:57,150
well thank you you know I've been I've

1377
01:00:01,850 --> 00:59:58,860
been doing I've been doing this just so

1378
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:01,860
so long you know and I I I so enjoy

1379
01:00:04,610 --> 01:00:03,570
talking about it especially the people

1380
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:04,620
who

1381
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:08,640
are intrigued by this and I do again if

1382
01:00:13,550 --> 01:00:10,920
you want to get a free subscription to

1383
01:00:15,590 --> 01:00:13,560
our conspiracy journal Tim Schwartz does

1384
01:00:18,110 --> 01:00:15,600
it online he does the online weekly

1385
01:00:20,570 --> 01:00:18,120
version and we put out a printed version

1386
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:20,580
a couple of times a year which lists all

1387
01:00:25,850 --> 01:00:23,310
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1388
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:25,860
that you can reach us at conspiracy

1389
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:29,610
journal Tom and if you want a list of

1390
01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:32,370
all the books just go over to Amazon

1391
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that click on the books or and type in

1392
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:36,330
my name Timothy Beckley and you'll

1393
01:00:40,010 --> 01:00:38,730
you'll see everything and I'll be happy

1394
01:00:42,590 --> 01:00:40,020
to sell you the book so you can buy it

1395
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:42,600
there and keep looking up at the sky and

1396
01:00:47,060 --> 01:00:44,610
keep your feet on the ground and forge

1397
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:47,070
ahead my man forge ahead all right that

1398
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:48,510
sounds like a winner you do this thing

1399
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:50,730
it's been a pleasure I hope to have you

1400
01:00:55,550 --> 01:00:53,280
back well you bet you and certainly some

1401
01:01:00,830 --> 01:00:55,560
of our author as well contradict what I